Comments on: California Supreme Court’s Opinion is So Gay.

By: mklasing

mklasing — Thu, 29 May 2008 20:29:13 +0000

Stacy: you are right the scenarios are endless. Problem is: the law was never meant to be a vehicle to address every specific scenario in life. If we truly want law like that then we may as well hand the keys to every freedom in our life to the government so they can regulate it.

As for the homosexual issue-I see two big problems in society–Christians who damn the human being and not the sin and Homosexuals who wear a giant chip on their shoulder about their differences and their “right” to behave in any way they want. Flatly–I think homosexual conduct is wrong and I refuse to celebrate it on any level. On the other hand, there are lots of wrongs in society that I refuse to celebrate–creating laws for a group of people in an attempt to legitimize wrong behavior sounds like a recipe for a society on the downturn.

By: Stacy

Stacy — Thu, 29 May 2008 19:44:06 +0000

Wow Murph. First, one of my best friends is a lesbian. She struggled with substance abuse, depression and suicidal thoughts for years before she decided to come out. I have supported her and her choices, because all I really want is for her to be happy. She is a better Christian than I’ll ever be, expect for this sin; no this abomination; in her life. Biblically an abomination is worse than a sin; sin squared if you will. I really have yet to make any firm decisions regarding homosexuality. I strongly recommend reading “The Man Who Would Be Queen” to anyone with an open mind.

My concern regarding gay marriage is one of the stats that I read in that book. It stated, on average, gay men have 60 different partners in a year’s period. SIXTY!! A marriage cannot be functional with that kind of promiscuity. I have an easier time with lesbian marriage, women tend to be more faithful. But of course, you cannot allow same sex marriage for one gender and not the other.

I think that civil unions are an excellent idea. But in reference to Pathia’s comment regarding hospital visitation; it really needs to be expanded. I’ve known people who had no association with their biological family, yet had friends that they were very close to. Those friends should be entitled to the same rights as a family member.

This is a situation where the scenarios are endless.

And Pathia? Your experience with gays and lesbians is indicative of what heteros extol. Many of them are a hateful, bigoted group. They refuse to see the hypocrisy.

By: Pathia

Pathia — Tue, 27 May 2008 05:06:55 +0000

My partner is in the middle of struggling to figure out their gender identity. Like me, they are intersexed, and is torn apart by the inability to just be as they want to be. We are forced to make a choice, when in reality we were both born in between, and have no real place in either gender. We feel no membership to either, both male and female are completely alien. I only identify as female because female is slightly less alien than male, but it is still alien.

if you think I’m posing for example, so be it, but here’s a media documented case of it, and this involved someone who was outright dying in the hospital.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/legislature/2003542034_domestic26m0.html

By: rms42296

rms42296 — Mon, 26 May 2008 16:13:46 +0000

Interesting conversations… (Pathia, I’m confused – in your first post, you referred to your partner as if s/he is feminine (“If my partner is hospitalized, I cannot always visit her.”), yet in the following post, you indicated s/he is a man (“That it was okay that his family that he disowned 8years ago came in, and then had me arrested for being in the hospital with him?) While it is tragic when anyone, regardless of who they are, is prevented from being with the one they love, this makes me wonder if you’re “posing” to make a point, which would be truly sad!
As for the original post topic, it is extremely disturbing that the California Supreme Court is now acting as legislators (whatever happened to checks and balances?!?). Murphy’s point is well made – we depend upon our judges to interpret the laws, not write them. This latest trick of theirs is the equivalent of of changing the rules of the game.

By: Pathia

Pathia — Mon, 26 May 2008 13:25:40 +0000

Transsexuals are supported in Iran, there are no issues with it there, as it was given the OK stamp a couple of decades ago.

I face discrimination from gays and lesbians, ironically, so going to one of their hubs is not exactly the best sort of move. Gays are furious with me, because I am a ‘traitor’ and changed myself into a ‘breeder’. Meanwhile, lesbians hate me and call me an invader and a rapist of womanhood’s essence.

They are not my friends.

By: mklasing

mklasing — Thu, 22 May 2008 14:37:42 +0000

Pathia: I told you before that moving from your area of the Country is a fabulous idea. Sorry things have been so rough–but that is the reality of being different in any part of the world. Be thankful you don’t live in Iran–that would be much more difficult I’m certain. I assure you, however, and you know this to be true–there are plenty of areas of our Country where you would not only be safe but celebrated–San Francisco, New Orleans, part of my town-Houston, Austin, Boston, etc…

By: Pathia

Pathia — Thu, 22 May 2008 03:20:21 +0000

My partner was in a coma at the time, you can’t very well give doctors instructions when you’re in such a state.

As stated before, I’ve been assaulted, fired, and raped because of what I am, and what people view of my lifestyle. The government refuses to protect me, cops actively ignore me, or actively mistreat me. I just can’t take it anymore. It’s very sour grapeish, but I’m moving to Seattle, and likely from there to Canada. I just don’t feel safe in this country anymore. I’ve been brutalized to the point of hospitalization three times now because people ‘disagree very strongly’ with the way I live my life, and the police do absolutely nothing to the perpetrators. It sickens me, it absolutely sickens me. I just can’t take it anymore.

By: mklasing

mklasing — Wed, 21 May 2008 21:43:56 +0000

Pathia: as with your previous posts–addressing your individual issue is something I simply cannot do. As an attorney, I would say that if your partner has told the hospital in advance that you are a family member or otherwise allowed to visit and they won’t honor that, I’d say you have a problem. But your individual issues with your partner and your partner’s family are no basis for creating law that applies to everyone. Law is not written for the good of the one but the good of the whole and to answer your question, no, I do not agree with civil unions or domestic partnerships but I have no issue with such legal unions if the government wants to make them. My point is not about that, however, my point is that we live in a democracy with a checks and balances system. The Court in California has unbalanced the system by throwing out a law that was voted on by and for the people of the State, passed and put into practice. The Court has no right in this context to overstep the will of the people and overturn such a law. They are simply out of line. I’d be saying the same thing if they said a law allowing gay marriage, that was voted on by the people, should be overturned. It is not the Court’s role. It just isn’t.

Sorry for your situation but everyone, regardless of creed, color, gender or sexual orientation has to overcome trials and tribulations in life–it is not the role of the law or the government to step in and attempt to fix them all.

By: Pathia

Pathia — Tue, 20 May 2008 03:05:54 +0000

Then why don’t we drop the legal marriage aspect?

Would you even let me form a domestic partnership, or a civil union. Anything at all? I have been prevented from seeing my partner in the hospital when they were in a COMA. Do you somehow think this is proper? That it was okay that his family that he disowned 8years ago came in, and then had me arrested for being in the hospital with him?

We have an entire power of attorney, every single legal document that could be possibly made (We basically have a small LLC between us, is how we did it). However, this still does not do half the things we need in emergencies.

By: Longing for Holiday

Longing for Holiday — Mon, 19 May 2008 05:10:40 +0000

Hey, MK: first, thanks for stopping by and your good wishes, prayers, etc. Doing better.

Next: Did you read that Michael Reagan (former Pres’s son) said he is sending his next vote to the CA Supreme Court, cause why bother voting of the Court can overturn the peoples’ choice? Interesting.